testudo hermanni Hermanni or boettgeri?

lacard · 05-11-2010, 05:50 PM

Hello, I am about to buy a tortoise.I have been told it is a dwarf Hermann. I have got some pictures. Could someone tell me (confirm) that it is a Dwarf Hermann since I will have to pay quite a bit of money for this female and don't want to male a mistake.
Here are the pics:

**Bindi** · 05-11-2010, 05:52 PM

Hi, could you tell us how old and how big (SCL)the tortoise is please?

lacard · 06-11-2010, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindi

Hi, could you tell us how old and how big (SCL)the tortoise is please?

This tortoise is 544g and is 12.5cms. The thing is, my own tortoise, which is 324g and 11cm, is a testudo hermanni Boetgeri and from 2006 as well. That's why I was a bit surprised to say the least.
Sorry I couldn't reply last night, it wouldn't let me do it.
Thank you all for your replies by the way

lacard · 08-11-2010, 07:53 PM

He sold it as a hermanni hermanni. Oh well...

TortBabe · 05-11-2010, 05:54 PM

I have 2 Hermanni Hermannis, and this torts plastron is totally different to mine. I would say this is a boettgeri

Ozric Jonathan · 05-11-2010, 07:38 PM

The black bands are almost always continuous on the plastron of the hermanni hermanni and quite different to this tortoise which does have a lot of dark there but not at all continuous. I do not think this is a hermanni hermanni. The carapace does have quite a lot of black for a boetgerri but the colours and patterns of this tortoise are not typical of hermanni hermanni.

Here is one of my smaller ones

**16 shells** · 05-11-2010, 07:53 PM

Hi Lacard there is no Dwarf Hermans but a smaller species of Hemanni Hermanni, the common Herman's is the Th Beottgeri

loublou95 · 05-11-2010, 07:54 PM

I think it is either a T. h. hercegovinensis or a boettgeri, but I think it looks more like a hercegovinensis, but that is just my guess

EJ · 05-11-2010, 08:06 PM

If it is from a shop the odds are it is T. h. hercegovinensis which I think it is. If that's the case... definately a female.

SeeShell · 05-11-2010, 09:56 PM

Looks like a herc to me. Great torts!!

05-11-2010, 05:50 PM	#1
lacard Member Egg Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 84	testudo hermanni Hermanni or boettgeri? Hello, I am about to buy a tortoise.I have been told it is a dwarf Hermann. I have got some pictures. Could someone tell me (confirm) that it is a Dwarf Hermann since I will have to pay quite a bit of money for this female and don't want to male a mistake. Here are the pics:

05-11-2010, 05:52 PM	#2
Bindi Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,157	Hi, could you tell us how old and how big (SCL)the tortoise is please? __________________

05-11-2010, 05:54 PM	#5
TortBabe Senior Member Adult Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 6,919	I have 2 Hermanni Hermannis, and this torts plastron is totally different to mine. I would say this is a boettgeri __________________ Busy Mum to ~ 2 Kids, 2 Yorkies, 1 Horsfield, 6 Hermanns, 2 Iberas, 6 Tunisians, 2 Indian Stars and 2 Pancakes

05-11-2010, 07:38 PM	#6
Ozric Jonathan Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West of Scotland Posts: 4,226	The black bands are almost always continuous on the plastron of the hermanni hermanni and quite different to this tortoise which does have a lot of dark there but not at all continuous. I do not think this is a hermanni hermanni. The carapace does have quite a lot of black for a boetgerri but the colours and patterns of this tortoise are not typical of hermanni hermanni. Here is one of my smaller ones __________________ Testudo Hermanni Hermanni (Corse) tortoises Last edited by Ozric Jonathan; 05-11-2010 at 07:41 PM.

05-11-2010, 07:53 PM	#7
16 shells Super Moderator Adult Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hull Posts: 7,286	Hi Lacard there is no Dwarf Hermans but a smaller species of Hemanni Hermanni, the common Herman's is the Th Beottgeri __________________ Paul.

08-11-2010, 07:53 PM	#4
lacard Member Egg Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 84	He sold it as a hermanni hermanni. Oh well...

05-11-2010, 07:54 PM	#8
loublou95 Member Hatched Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Kent Posts: 290	I think it is either a T. h. hercegovinensis or a boettgeri, but I think it looks more like a hercegovinensis, but that is just my guess __________________ 0.1.0 T.h.boettgeri, Hermione 0.1.0 Cocker Spaniel, Angel 16 years old Jenna

05-11-2010, 08:06 PM	#9
EJ Senior Member Adult Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 8,277	If it is from a shop the odds are it is T. h. hercegovinensis which I think it is. If that's the case... definately a female. __________________ Ed Tortoise Keerpers @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tortoise_Keepers and http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/284442591651347/ Trying to keep the fun in Chelonian care

05-11-2010, 09:56 PM	#10
SeeShell Senior Member Adult Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 3,120	Looks like a herc to me. Great torts!!

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